So new Carnage was calling to me and I did answer. There’s a lot to love. Yes, the unique sculpt is gone, that’s been over for awhile anyway, but the figure has enough smart engineering to make the figure work. New forearms & calves with spots for the softer tendrils to attach to create a somewhat more comic-like look. Once again, I’m not totally in love with the head – this guy sorta always looks like he’s going “LOL. What?”, but I’m getting used to it. Those areas combined with the new hands and the tendril-attachment for his back make for a sharp looking figure though. It’s not quite the Carnage I remember, well, maybe if the artist was a little lazier when they were penciling him in.
With a buck, the paint work becomes that much more important and I think the figure does well in this area too. The paint mask looks organic & veiny. It doesn’t quite capture the look of the original, but it looks sharp and blends great with the tendril attachments. There is a little slop in key areas where the whites of the eye don’t quite matchup, but the “sloppy” look of Carnage can cover for the less than accurate paint somewhat. Overall, it comes together well enough that I don’t really even mind the reuse, at least until I get him besides the Classics figure. And what I’m feeling then might be more about how times have changed rather than anything negative for the new guy.
In addition to the articulation being much better integrated into the aesthetics of the sculpt, there’s a ton of articulation to love. Ball-joints at the neck, shoulders, wrists, hips, and inverted ankles, swivel cuts at the biceps, waist, thighs, & calves, double-jointed elbows & knees, and the standard ab crunch. Everything works pretty great, but I did have an odd QC issue on the hips. The hips & the ball-joints inside are a snug fit, but the figure still teeters after posing. See, the legs are loose, but they’re loose together, so I’m thinking that the two hip connecters are on a barbell not actually attached to the figure; just threading through a hole in the lower torso. I’m hoping this is just a one-off thing Hasbro is trying. It seems more like an 80s solution and it doesn’t quite work.
Carnage included no accessories for himself (no, I don’t count the tendril “backpack”), but he does come with two BAF pieces for the Ultimate Green Goblin that I’m relatively sure I’m not building (waffling, already…): the head and flames that rest on the figure shoulders & back. The pieces are nice and, again, GG looks solid, but I just don’t imagine I’ll end up with everything from this wave. If I don’t, I’ve got this fun sheet of fire accessory I guess!
Overall, this is a very similar situation to the one I had with Venom. I love my old Sinister Six ML Venom (another awesome Spider-Man box set!), but that new MS Venom was amazing. This new ML Carnage is not quite that jaw-dropping, but I do enjoy him. He’s an improvement over an older figure, but one I particularly seem to cherish. It’s my collection. I can go haul out of all of my Carnages if I wanted to, but space is at a premium. Do I really need two each of Venom & Carnage on display? That seems silly, but I think that’s what is going to happen for the foreseeable future. I love the older figures, but these new ones are just too good.
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So you passed on the Beetle because he looked too “90s EXTREME!!!”, then turned around and bought Carnage? Irony, thy name is Noisy.
Haha. No, you misunderstand! The fact that he looks like the 90s threw-up is why I waffled! I have no idea what version of Beetle that is or why he looks that way, but he was screamin’ good vibes from that old 90s Spidey toyline at me. I almost caved! I still might… 😀
SHE is the Ultimate Beetle.
Ultimate Beetle (who yes, the figure in question is) is a dude.
Beetle II (Leila Davis) and Beetle IV or VII (Janice Lincoln — depends how you count) were both ladies though.
Thanks, guys!
I looked at the figure again tonight when I stopped by Target. I just don’t need it, but it still looks like the reincarnation of a Spidey: TAS figure!
Ultimate Beetle means Mark Bagley I’d presume. How just so happened to also craft Carange AND the Green Goblin above. Heh.
I only read a year or so of Ult.Spidey and don’t recall Beetle ever appearing, so I had no clue. I was taking the word of others who claimed they kept up with Marvel in general.
At least this armor is better than the “reveal” of Harness’ identity/gender back in the 90s: http://www.newwarriors.com/images/covers/cover-nwv1ann1.jpg
Like I said below, (s)he looks like a good Mach-1 base, and considering Bagley designed both Mach-1(-5?) and this Beetle armor, the design similarity is no surprise.
hmmm…I gotta go with the older Carnage on this one. It’s the smooth body and lack of white teeth that ruin it for me. of course, the older one doesn’t have white teeth, either, but the head is “scarier” than this one. Wait, did he ever have white teeth, or was that just the other Symbiotes? GIS says….yes, no, sometimes, only white inside his mouth, etc. I guess it depended on the artist and colorist?
I almost thought his tongue went thru his jaw, from the right placement of the top p2 pic being cut off right below the chin. If it had, that might have kicked him up a notch for me. Damn that tendril…and where are the Hentai jokes????
so…yeah. I’ve had pretty much four strikes on finding these, aside from Beetle (this Ultimate version is a female, I understand? Might be a good Mach-1 base?) and the extra case-packed Spideys, which I can pass on. I was told new cases of Spidey & Cap were due this past wkd at Target, but only MU came in (scored Angel and Puck!), now computer is only showing “on order” yesterday? Next time, I’m calling in, so I don’t waste time/gas. Still nothing at WM, but they did mark down the Scarlets and Hopes (and black Supermans!) to $11. I was already pricing the cases online, earlier.
I think Felicia is the only one I want from this, as I have no interest in Ultimate “horny flaming Hulk” Goblin. oh, and Arana and Boomerang “running changes” are already hitting, so there’s that, too. Apparently Arana is a different character than Julia Carpenter’s Spider-Woman? her TB variant figure is one that I saw ONCE upmarked at the mall, so a definite pass on that fugly TB Jessica Drew body variant.
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Anyway, Congrats to the new family. Was this James or another brother? Hope mama and baby are doing well and y’all aren’t getting the snow we are up here to ruin things! I was seriously questioning my trip into town and had two close calls on 100 today, and it had just started!
I think some of the figures had white teeth. I’m not sure about the comics.
And thanks! James is the new nephew! Everyone is doing great. They got to go home before the snow hit and the weather has given them all a little time to adjust.
That’s the best name ever. I told my best friend when he had kids, if it’s a boy, name it James, if it’s a girl, name it Girl James. He named his kids Kylie and Parker. I call them Girl James and Little Jimmy P.
I thought about you when he told me. James Lynch has run in our family for a long time: my cousin, uncle, grandfather, great grandfather, and even earlier have all alternated James Earl & James Patrick. My cousin didn’t stick with that, but my brother has now picked James back up at least. I don’t have the first clue on baby names.
darn. I missed out on the family name by not being first!
WIN!
If you look at these two pictures, the figure’s actually the closest we’ve ever come to Mark Bagley’s original Carnage design. Granted, the mouth’s open wider than it has to be and he doesn’t have the insanity that is *claws on his claws*, but it’s fairly close.
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121029154350/deadliestfiction/images/1/10/Spider-Man_Carnage_Vol_1_1_Textless.jpeg
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110607202027/marvel/es/images/6/69/Carange_%28Cletus_Kasady%29.PNG
I can see it. Thanks for the pics!
Hi Noisy!
Will you post Black Cat? (I see the goblin torso so figure you have her).
She’s the star of the line (maybe). Best black cat ever released. Just her thigh-articulation–she can’t lift her legs to the sides, do splits, or other “roof top landing” poses.
Hi Tim!
Black Cat will probably get reviewed here pretty soon. Not this week, but next is a good possibility. I think I like reviewing comic-based toys best (too bad I don’t get the chance to buy as many anymore).
Nifty review, and great pics and comics! Always liked the symbiotes, but I’m just not enough of a comic book guy to collect ’em. Is Carnage’s jaw a separate piece? If so, is it articulated, or just glued on there?
At the very least, that so-called “Green Goblin” would make for an excellent demon for He-Man to fight . . . .
Ultimate Goblin wears Pants IIRC, but yeah, one small repaint and he could work as a generic Flaming Demon for the MOTUC guys to beat up.
He is a pretty good generic design. The component figures are part of the issue though – I’m convinced a well-painted Superior Spider-Man does not exist. I just don’t need that Beetle and Movie Electro even less. Boomerang might get me, Arana too, but no help there, but even then Movie Electro. Eww. lol
Thanks, Beedo!
It does appear to be a separate piece, but no, not articulated.
Ultimate Beetle is a man. Read the books and even in the game referred as one. Too me he reminds me of a Rider. Only she-beetle is the current one. Unless made the U Beetle a chick in the toon. Mixing universes, thats Mysterios thing.
Carnage, well I.started this era via Maximuim Carnage (okay the Infinity war and dangiit I still want doppelgangers) so easy buy for me. I just need that MS Venom now.
Okay on Ultimate Green Goblin, yeah thats his look, he did have clok but when the Sinister Six fought the Ultimates he ditched it and kept the look even when he killed Harry with his barehands. Yeah Harry was Hobgoblin. Also he killed Doc Ock and that was gory. I do want to make him but have not seen any. That $20 price is tough too. Wishbsaw when was $15.
My big question, hoping a new Mysterio comes but with him now a big threat as he is in prison in the Ultimate verse and he is the same a the 616 and broke the barrier so he could go to both worlds. Should he come in a box set with both looks. Read Spider-men to see this.
MS Venom is rockin’. Hope you can snag him! Spider-Men was pretty great. I’d like a Mysterio update…
Actually, of all the MLs I’ve sold off over the years, Spidey villains are the ones I tend to regret the most. Sandman, Mysterio, Scorpion, Rhino, etc. I’d be happy to see any of them get updates.
A “Rider”? Kamen Rider ZX?
I had the same loose legs issue with my new HYDRA agent. I thought it was just my figure since I haven’t seen anything with other figures using the same base (Archangel/Black Panther).
Hmm. I wonder how the construction is inside the figure. Maybe the barbell piece is a glued in piece and we’re finding figures without the glue or broken seals? Interesting…
My Carnage doesn’t have the same issue with loose hips. He seems to have the exact same construction as Bucky Cap. Yours may be a QC issue :/
Could be! Thanks for the heads up!
I bought 2 Carnage. Both have the teetering hips. 🙁
We’re not alone at least… ?
I have seen every character from this wave twice EXCEPT carnage and black cat, the 2 I want. So infuriating…great review though!
Same here. A buddy of mine broke down and picked up those two from a comic shop for $40 each. I was *this* close to getting their last Black Cat, but I passed at the last minute. Good thing too; maybe because I’m not a Felicia Hardy fan, but that figure felt really underwhelming. I have the Thunderbolts set so I’m used to the new female body, but it doesn’t move as well on Cat.
I love ’em, but I couldn’t do $40.
Third time was the charm for me. Good luck!
I have the same issue with this line. Half the figs I want and the other half I pretty much don’t want no matter how hard I try. Why does Hasbro do this to us?!?
Some figure is everybody’s favorite I imagine.
The biggest improvement I’ve ever seen between old and new figures is black cat. The old black cat is an abomination and the new one is spectacular. Carnage is a Huge upgrade though. I also got beetle even though the design isn’t the best just because we don’t have a proper 80s smaller style beetle yet and who knows if we will ever get one.
Poor Beetle. I did always like that big, giant robot one in.. was it Hulk Legends or just Spider-Man? Hrm. Either way, a proper one would be so easy to do and yet… nada.
the previous Beetle was in SMC.
I seem to recall he had a light up visor and windup moving wings?
sigh… the god old days. :/
i love that fig. i actually cringe a little every time i see him used as a custom base, cuz i think he was that well executed that he shouldn’t be used as fodder. but customizers have a different view on their figs from that of the standard collector, i think…
carnage definitely looks nice, and i’d like to pick him up, if i find him… and if if the operable term here. had no luck thusfar. but i actually don’t own the ML/SMC carnage, so this would be my first one, not an “upgrade” so it’d be nice to have him, since i did enjoy SMC a butt-ton back when that line was running. i do have toxin though, and the jury is still out for me on whether or not i invest. i have a nest full of venoms from the last decade and a half, and i love that character, but his fellow symbiotes never felt as necessary for me… we’ll see. at some point though, awesome upgrade or no, i have limits, and i have to start making choices. toxin might have to go into the big PAA bin for me…
I haven’t really been interested in anything beyond Venom & Carnage either. I’m done with these guys until whatever awesome figures come out in 2024.
I think part of the “rare for custom” falls under two options:
A- local availability – I have two Mecha-Hulks just because they were so awesome, and I don’t know how many Hulkbusters. two HBIM for Box customs (red and blue), two all yellow Mandroid customs, and a few spare. I’m thinking eight HBIM all together?
I knew MH was rare, but HBIM was fairly plentiful around here, as were TB Juggy and Deadpool for a time. then the ML-X wave got over-ordered BIG time at a smaller WM!
Heck, I once saw what seemed like six cases of ML6 at one store after the “scarcity panic”, and I thought all those Tom Jane Punishers would sit for a year before they cleared them out. A month later and they were gone and on to w8!
B- what is the planned custom going to be and if that customizer is a seller or making them for their own collection. Look at some of the custom ebay prices and decide if that “rare” figure is worth whatever you have planned for it or not.
I listed numerous MLs this past summer for retail prices, and my two TB Blades went for $25 and $30, I believe? Then my TF “good” planet guy (Unicron’s blue counterpart) was listing for $50-150. I listed it for the lower price and sold it for $80. Were they worth that to me? I needed the money at the time, so I was grateful for any sale, so it was up to the buyer to determine if they wanted to pay that much.
There were some great figures. I regret selling Beetle and a few others… Mecha-Hulk springs to mind… but there is only so much space.
I have both of those. 🙂
“LOL. What?” is exactly what Carnage should be saying ALL THE TIME.
Anyway, I just love how this one looks like he jumped right outta the comic! I made due with the old Toybiz Spider-Man Animated Series figures for a long time. Eventually got the single packed version of the one above…but eh. Never liked ’em. The head is just…weird.
As for the rest: I’m seriously considering Black Cat JUST for the sheet of fire. I’m already in love with the arm fire – it works in so many placed! Especially on my middle finger. Who wouldn’t want a FLAMING BIRD?!