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Val Armor, Karate Kid, was an earth born human with no special powers in his pre Crisis origin. His upbringing fought him every fighting form of a hundred planets. He had simply trained himself to be the best fighter in the universe. The KK of the three-boot Legion has the ability to locate weakness of any person or item he studies. Again it is his training in the fighting arts that allows him to take advantage of that weakness.
Pre Crisis Val took out Batman, Robin, and Bat Girl at the same time in about 5 panels. In the Lightning Saga he fought Batman to standstill but both claimed they were only sparing with a known friend.
I agree that Batman is not in the top 5 but just recently Tim bested Dick in a sparing match. Tim's training by the league and Shiva have brought his skills to, for me, the top of the Bat family. Bruce falls back on his toys while Dick has concentrated on a few basic forms. Tim has become a master fighter and strategist.