Randomest Thoughts v3

by **Tekwych** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:14 am

Continued from - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44&start=490

Val Armor, Karate Kid, was an earth born human with no special powers in his pre Crisis origin. His upbringing fought him every fighting form of a hundred planets. He had simply trained himself to be the best fighter in the universe. The KK of the three-boot Legion has the ability to locate weakness of any person or item he studies. Again it is his training in the fighting arts that allows him to take advantage of that weakness.

Pre Crisis Val took out Batman, Robin, and Bat Girl at the same time in about 5 panels. In the Lightning Saga he fought Batman to standstill but both claimed they were only sparing with a known friend.

I agree that Batman is not in the top 5 but just recently Tim bested Dick in a sparing match. Tim's training by the league and Shiva have brought his skills to, for me, the top of the Bat family. Bruce falls back on his toys while Dick has concentrated on a few basic forms. Tim has become a master fighter and strategist.

by **dayraven** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:57 am

doing some brushing up for this convo, i'd have to say that it appears that shang chi wins for the MU... despite being a normal human, his skills are such that he has beaten superpowered foes in hand to hand fights. that's pretty nuts. as far as superhumans go, ares is pretty much tops for megapowers (i was surprised that he seems to trump thor in that department... apparently, i've missed some things on him lately) and then daken, who punked wolvie and DP at the same time.

by **NoisyDvL5** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:05 am

dayraven wrote:the dc wiki said cassie received additional training from batman... but indeed, no to the damien wayne... so three, instead of four. got me. oh, i was wrong on bronze tiger too, he beat batman...

though this got me thinking, shouldn't diana be on the list?

I guess you could say that he trained Cassie... When she appeared in No's Man Land, she was already better than Batman having been raised to be an assassin by Cane. If we're going to go with that model then you could say Damian has been trained by Batman too and call 4 for 4.

Wonder Woman probably should be on there somewhere, but if we start thinking about Amazons - we definitely need to include Artemis on the list too, probably above Diana.